That one I do agree and I have no problem with that one.
I will ask if you can compare applet to apple. I have showed you all the projector line exist in the market by Philips. Their whole naming for existing does not have “native”, why? But this new has it, why?
You also cannot prove me that this “native” is really used to described the visible resolution or the chip which is in used. Why you and Philips will take it as visible (from Philips stand point is simple, to continue term that is vague to attract more customer, but I don’t know what is yours.).
I do not buy your theory. The example you have showed is full of advertising term and factor. But what I want to see is a seller (hopefully Philips) who is not over advertising their product by fooling people some term that is not precise and arguable. They are not those you call Chinese goods. Btw, Xiaomi does not call their laser projector as native, if you want to compare.
But you just nailed it here! Exactly! Philip is using Native 1080p in marketing/sales purpose because that is the word the rest of the world takes to describe what the projector offers. It is not Philips’s fault that all the world is ignorant of tech details and uses the native resolution in that way. Which gives every right to Philips to use it. And that is all I am stating all the time.
It is not on Philips to educate people about technical insights of a projector and i.e. tell the world “no no you must not use this term, this is bad”. If you think it is, then put your own money and educate people yourself. Philips makes product to sell not to keep in storage.
You see how their change on ANSI COLOR LUMENS backfires. Because they create confusion. Then people go to the store and ask the merchant ok and how much ANSI COLOR LUMENS some projector has and the seller goes “what? there are no ansi color luments, only ansi lumens.”
And you know how sales works. People want to buy a product, they use phrases that mean something to them i.e. Native 1080p because they want to see a FullHD picture. Then they look the review online, or go into the store and have a demonstration in the store. And then they buy or decide to move away if the picture quality is not good for them. That is all there is. Philips or any other producer are there to assure that te native resolution provided is in adequate quality that the buyers will buy otherwise they will not sell. In projector world buyers want to know three things: native resolution, brightness and lamp life.
Again you ignoring the most important question I asked.
and I do emphasize this, Philips does not have to be the same as other. I do hope a good company will never over advertising their product.
I did not, i said it is sales/marketing using the word that is common descriptor of what people are asking, with the full right to do so. And they don’t use it on the web but on the packaging. their web is using resolution as descriptor for all products.
If you have a native 1080p DMD producing a 1080p image, then that is no problem. I don’t see what the point you’re trying to make is. There is no such thing as a native 1080p image. You are hung up on the idea that the output image is somehow ‘native’ when it is the display device that is native or not. I could get a DLP Cinema projector and shutter the image to only show 1920x1080 unique pixels but that doesn’t make it a ‘native 1080p’ projector. (FYI DLP Cinema chips do have 4K native resolutions, but are only available in cinema projectors from NEC, Christie, and Barco)
Projector Central not using the term ‘native resolution’ proves my point exactly: Philips did not have to use the term ‘native 1080p’ when marketing the projector. They could have just called it 1080p or 1920x1080 resolution. I don’t see how that goes against me in any way.
So I assume there is nothing non native if you logic applied.
Else if you could explain what is non native?
Jesus, y’all are being pedantic AF. It’s just semantics. If the image being displayed on the wall is 1920 pixels wide and 1080 pixels high at a refresh rate that’s acceptable to regular human eyes, then that my friends, is a ‘native’ 1080p display. Maybe there’s a clever way that’s being achieved, one that saves power and space which is great for a PORTABLE BATTERY POWERED PROJECTOR. Pixel shifting light engine tech is clever as hell. It’s magic. I’m glad they decided to put it in the PPM. I can’t wait to test it out myself when mine finally arrives on the 4th of Octember.
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Then that’s what they should call it and advertise with: offering Magic 1080p resolution. That way, people who just want a 1080p display resolution are able to buy a magical projector, and people who don’t, won’t.
To me, who is new to this projector business, I think of native as: is there a 1-to-1 matching of pixels in my video source to dots on the screen. Wikipedia seems to agree with me here.
As far as I understand, PPM does this. It does not have te upscale or downscale the image. Thus it’s native to me.
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Glad you ask. No one ever uses term “non-native” in the context of screen resolution. So there is no term as such, don’t ask me why just is not in use. But mentioning only 1080p is misused a lot of times by cheap producers to define a projector that can accept 1080p signal, while native resolution is not mentioned because it is something shitty small 
so on these projectors your hd netflix stream does not look nice. Non-native resolutions would for me be forcing the projector into different smaller resolutions. so you cound have a Native 1080p presenting in 720p. Guess non-native is not used because there is only one native resolution, while non-native can be multiple. So it is kind more important to define the native one.
Wow this is still a conversation? It’s clear from the beginning Philips saw this new part from Texas Instruments, and is building a Pico projector around it. There was no other plan to use a “full HD DMD” or something - the TI tech papers are in jan 2019, so thus, Philips/Screeneo decided to built a projector around this new product. TI advertises it as a 1080P/60hz DLP engine - Philips does not need to caveat the product. Sefton, go work for TI and correct all their wrongs - sue them for false advertising, etc. I’m sure their engineers would roll their eyes at you.
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I like this! 
This is used by Philips also. Remember “support 4K” (this mean the “accepting” 4K). At least I am not confused with this term. And most importantly with my limited knowledge and understand seem not mentioning “native” is more common. It is seen in Philips website, if you can them as expert of manufacturing projector. If we move and look further, Nebula (Anker new projector) is not using native. There is rarely any other advertisement use by projector manufacturers have used that term.
Don’t judge me… This is how exactly what I feel
@anon7411189 please allow me to use your “magic” term.
One day I go to market to get a carpet (projector). Philips told me I have a magic (native 1080p) carpet to sell. I look at the price, thinking to myself. “Wow…a magic carpet!! Price is just more expensive (in my acceptable range) than normal carpet! I want that! I don’t mind waiting to get that.”
Then before I have get it, someone asked your magic carpet can fly (using pixel shifting)? Philips said "yes’(no).
Then I started to think and ask what does this “magic” mean. My dear friends have all different answer. Some said “we are cheated”(maybe not so aggressive). Some say “it is very comfortable. Feel as if you got feathers! Feel like you are flying! It is magic carpet!”
But this is actually what I feel now. 
I bought because I expectating to get a magic carpet, I willing to pay more for the magic (native) as compare to normal.
My dear friend told as long as you feel good, you are Aladdin! But I don’t really feel good but feel like my money flying to no where and get a ordinary carpet.
I know some of you are smart to know the “magic” behind is about the feeling only. Or some of you I feel jealous as you guy don’t feel . Or maybe I am too stupid to believe there is “magic”(native 1080p) in the world. If that’s the case do tell your kids this world got no “magic” ever.
To be honest what I want to get is just a carpet (projector). But I am disappointed by this magic (“native”) that is used but not giving any differentiator compare with other. That make myself thinking that I am spending more money for ordinary projector. Don’t get me wrong, I have never say this is a bad product.
Let be clear, I am not demanding Philips to put in “magic”, but something the make me feel better (feel less ). They are not mental care, or any phycologist, but I am on board because of their advertisement.
It is like buying a car from someone advertising it as a “400 horsepower V8”, then finding out it has a turbocharged 4 cylinder 400 horsepower engine instead. It may produce ultimately produce 400hp, like the V8, but the performance characteristics are different. There are those out there who would specifically want the V8, who would rightfully be annoyed by the person selling the car. The person selling the car could have just said it has 400 horsepower engine, and there would not have been a problem.
Wouldn’t it be possible to just let this go and agree to disagree? It seems like the argument is going in circles.
We can all agree that the projector outputs a 1080p image which is the most important thing for 99,9% of buyers.
Whether this is native or not is a discussion of semantics and not really worth the time 
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I did, if you look back through the comments. But someone decided not only to continue to disagree, and keep pressing their arguements, but to insult my character as well.
Quite happy to let this one rest.
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I guess this one goes for me. Never insulted your character, on the contrary I told very much that I appreciate the information you share.
I called you, as an expert, ignorant of the rest of the world. I also called rest of the world ignorant of you as well. That was not meant as an insult but as fact of life how experts in their field tend to behave and how the world behaves.
I myself am sometimes ignorant of the rest of the world, but then I remember an event my mother taught me a lesson. Once when I was a kid she wanted to know what I was doing on my computer and I started explaining in deep some programming stuff that I was crazy about. She was listening for a bit and then asked me to come to the living room. Then she sat down and started knitting and telling me about the stitches while I had a big virtual question mark above my head. Then she said - you see that is what it feels when you talk about what you do to the rest of us. You need to simplify things and accept people don’t want/need to know the details – so people can understand.
So I was and will be protecting the right of Philips to use native wording. Because of my mother. That is all. No hard feeling.
Sinisa, to be honest it’s a minor discrepancy but it matters that they state it’s Native when it’s not. Sure I wouldn’t say they are liars or scammers, as the projector can display 1920x1080 with no or little visual difference.
It wouldn’t be hard to put in marketing that it is a displayed resolution of 1080p, with supported 4K input.
I’m probably throwing fuel on fire here, but reading your responses, you come across as bull headed and sitting high on your horse. I’ve read responses on Facebook to other members you debate with, to which when you believe you are right you sign off with “we’ll discuss over a beer”. You might not mean much from that, but to some it shows an arrogance that you think you can debate all night on a topic you are sure to win. Lack of open mindfulness is your downfall.
You can agree to disagree, but you can’t deny that he is factually correct about the specs advertised vs actualised.
Also please take it to Personal Messaging next time rather than flooding a forum post.